Dying Off Stage

The “dying off stage” can be very hard!  Please do not get discouraged! 

I would describe this stage as the body getting rid of all of the bad bacteria and starting to heal.  This is a trying time.  You are spending all of your time and efforts making sure your child is getting all of the legal foods, which is not easy, and it appears that they are not getting much better, but worse.  Please prepare for this and know what to expect.  Be strong, and do not give up!  No one knows when or how long the “dying off stage” will last.  With each child it will be different.  One child it was only two weeks before they were symptom free, for my son it was two months.  But hopefully, you will have seen some days of improvement to give you the strength and hope to push through this trying time and continue with the diet! 

I have copied and pasted information regarding the “dying off stage” on the SCD Diet that I have found online.  I hope that some of this will help you through understanding this rough time.  Please let me know if you find any other information that would be beneficial to add to the website as well.  Thank you.

How can I tell tell the difference between die-off symptoms and an intolerance to a new food?

One indicator is the length of time the symptoms persist. Most die-off symptoms last less than three weeks. Some report that if a negative behavior is due to die-off, the behavior stops or improves about one to two hours after giving activated charcoal.

If you think a particular food is possibly bothering your child, you can certainly remove it for a short while and see if things change. If the symptoms abate, you may have found the culprit. Re-introducing the food a little later is a way to verify this.

If your instincts tell you it’s die-off… then ramp up epsom salts baths and/or the charcoal supplements and see if that helps.

During the detoxification period your child’s body has to process the waste products of dying gut pathogens. Children will need plenty of fluids, rest, patience and support… just as when sick with the flu.

Parents frequently report that they are seeing some positive changes (in attention, behavior, etc.) at the same time, usually a clear sign that the other negative symptoms are due to die-off. If the die-off symptoms last longer than a month or are severe, please seek help from a SCD counselor.

Die-off symptoms and food sensitivities are two separate things… but it can be difficult to tell one from the other.

Try not to worry; you are making progress. Soon the symptoms of die-off will lessen or stop, and the picture will be a lot clearer.

You may be able to reintroduce some of the foods that you had pulled when mistakenly thinking they were not being tolerated .

Why do the die off reactions occur?
The same toxins the gut pathogens have been giving off all along, which drive the kids into their world of autism… are all being released now, all at ONCE, as these bad guys bite the dust. Hopefully, you can think of it that way… it’s not your child…. it’s like your child’s possessed by these bad guys who are DESPERATE to survive and are driving your child crazy.

They WANT TO SURVIVE…. so they are sending your child messages to GO GET FOOD. Meaning, they want their Nutrigrain bars and their sugary cookies and all the other stuff that they’ve been thriving on all this time. They KNOW they will DIE if they don’t get it…. so they are willing to go to desperate measures to influence their “host”…. and break down your will to defeat them. This is a life or death struggle for them and they mean to win. You must make up your mind that your plan is to erradicate them from your child’s body once and for all….. and determine you won’t give in to them!

How to decrease the severity of temporary initial symptoms.

Gradually decrease the amount of starches and sugar at least a week before starting

Do not use antifungals at the same time as the beginning of SCD

Take a chelation break if you are doing chelation.

List of possible die off temporary symptoms

Most children will not have these symptoms.

        Flu Like Symptoms 
  • nausea and on rare occasions vomit.
  • dizziness
  • achy joints and back
  • change in bowels (diarrhea or constipation)
  • strange skin rashes
  • runny nose and funny cough
  • headaches
  • behavior changes/irritability/tantrums/short tempered
  • sleep disturbances
Things you can do to make it more tolerable:
  • Epsom Salt soaks in a warm tub
  • Activated Charcoal Capsules (http://www.morethanalive.com/Activated-Charcoal-Powder) for a brief time. Do not take it during meal times.
  • Slowing down the introduction of enzymes (some call this the “low and slow” method).
  • Going slower in the introduction of the SCD probiotics and yogurt. You should wait before introducing these if you have a strong die off symptoms (www.pecanbread.comhas ideas on introducing this yogurt)
  • Following the directions in Chapter 9 and 10 in the introductions of foods.  .

Directions for doing the Epsom Salt baths:

Start with 1 cup of salts in waist deep water and soak for at least 20 minutes. If this is tolerated go up to 2 cups of salts per bath. If it is not well tolerated (hyperness, irritability, whining), cut the dose to 1/2 a cup. or less until you get to a point it is tolerated. It indicates the person is detoxing too fast.

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2 thoughts on “Dying Off Stage

  1. My son has UC. We started SCD in mid-May and he had six weeks of being symptom-free. He then had a flare-up and we started the intro diet again as we weren’t sure what triggered it. The book also indicated that there can be problems in the second month even if the diet was followed strictly. He had a three week streak of being symptom free but started having symptoms again. Do we start over every time? Are most people starting SCD also on medications? (He is only on Pentasa right now.) Do you recommend using Jordan and Steve’s phases or just following the Breaking the Vicious Cycle book? I’m new to the blog and am grateful to have a place to talk to other moms.

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